Alfa Smyrna

However, I believe the "paid/unpaid discussion" is the result of misunderstanding of "professional" and I would like to hear professional comments if my work lacks the above all in whole or in parts. This way, I believe it will be more constructive and enlightening for me

This was my point earlier and i think your comment solidly hit the nail on the head.

It would be useful to me to see, as a regular feature, renderings that are created as part of a real job. I'm not so much interested in another nearly flawless image that is limited to, say, a small corner of a room. On the other hand, if someone came and had this great idea for a bedroom storage unit and wanted to pay you to visualize it, and this is the image you came up with, then you should indeed be the winner :-) -john manning

Check out this: http://pixela-3d.com/?p=1458 I dont think my work is "a small corner of a room". Actually I don't want to get into a discussion and try to defend my work but I see that there is a big misunderstanding about the meaning of word "professional". English is not my native language so I can't argue on the dictionary meaning of the word. But as far as I understand, every week CGArchitect tries to display one work that they believe to have an high quality in technical aspects,graphics and composition, which makes the image quality. I don't think this has anything related with "paid" work or "unpaid". Quality is what makes something porfessional and high standard. On the other hand, there are many works that are "paid jobs" and which look like collection of ready-made models that are put in a room. I am not criticising anyone's work but I believe what make "professional" is the 1. quality 2. knowledge 3. effort. As I said, I dont want to sound as defending my work, and anyone can claim that these 3 things are/are not present in my work. I truly will respect this. Moreover I would like to hear my own mistakes. However, I believe the "paid/unpaid discussion" is the result of misunderstanding of "professional" and I would like to hear professional comments if my work lacks the above all in whole or in parts. This way, I believe it will be more constructive and enlightening for me. Thanks

I'm so happy for your entry, I saw this gallery of images month ago in another site and I was very very impressed... and now here! ;D You did a great job, I love the green/turquoise wall over all!

i think its really good, cant see the criticism - but good to have discussion. (its much better than that ridiculous one with the ivy that won last weeks! now that looked like a test render)

i think its fantastic work.

I will say a couple things.. first, Very nice render. What struck me first was the random pieces of wood making up the storage unit. Nice touch. Second, I agree with GEES and his original reply. I was enticed to view this topic because of the title... I was expecting to see some images that were done as professional work. A profession is something you do to make a living, so in my mind, yes, I was hoping to see something that was done for a paying job, if that means "commercial", then call the topic that instead. It would be useful to me to see, as a regular feature, renderings that are created as part of a real job. I'm not so much interested in another nearly flawless image that is limited to, say, a small corner of a room. On the other hand, if someone came and had this great idea for a bedroom storage unit and wanted to pay you to visualize it, and this is the image you came up with, then you should indeed be the winner :-) -john manning

I'm all for a friendly discussion about what makes an image/project professional or not and the legitimacy of a hobby project over a commercial client lead venture. You should start a new thread, it would be interesting to talk this one out and see what people have to say. Save this one for dedicated praise and questions to alfa. :-)

Ok before I go any further, I sense this discussion is getting little heated, I don't mean to cause any offense. I am not criticizing the image quality, or the artist as I mentioned I think he and the image is top class. I am questioning and opening a friendly discussion. So if you a taking offense I will stop here... As for further clarity to my question. As most of us know doing a 3d render for your own needs is totally different to doing a project for a client. There are loads of different and mostly difficult constraints on a professional project compared to a hobby project. Maybe like playing golf, you might be able to play a good game here and there, but to be considered as a professional golfer is a totally different league. The pressure on a professional golfer cannot be compare to a person taking their time hitting a few good shots and putts and getting a low score. Back to 3d viz, add time constraints, normally large project and model parameters, client changes, design procedures all these things together make it a lot more difficult. Think of those chromatic abr. effects, excessive depth of view, dirty film type of renders you often see on evermotion.org, they look good in the beginning, but I battle to think of a client that would be happy to accept that to sell their scheme. So would that be considered that professional if you render one type of image for your client and another for yourself? Are you presenting a forum for the hobbyist trying to improve their portfolio or help the professional trying to deliver to their client? Please don't get all flustered, just a discussion....

Great work! i really enjoy your tutorial...

By the way Alfa your pflow workflow helped me out of a jam this week as i'd never really used it much before. So thanks for sharing those. :-D

Glad to hear it helped you :)

No offence Gee, but this is professional quality, and he's does this for a living! What's the problem??? Well done. I aspire to this kind of work. David

I am a little confused how this blurs the line between amateur hobby work and professional level work. There is nothing amateur about this image or any in the project. I think you may be confusing the term professional with commercial. The two certainly don't have to go hand in hand. Professional level work is professional level regardless the purpose of it's creation so in that any work of a high enough calibre should be eligible. By the way Alfa your pflow workflow helped me out of a jam this week as i'd never really used it much before. So thanks for sharing those. :-D

HI Pixela, I am like your project, I think you did it really well, better than anything I have done. But looking at the title of the thread it is for Professional and I was questioning wether hobby renders are eligible for entry or even selection? Well done on your selection. No critism on your work from me. Shane

I am a cg professional and I dont think my work lacks any of the professional quality of the many submitted renders as commercial projects. But of course you are free to have your opinion and I respect it. Have a nice day :)

HI Pixela, I am like your project, I think you did it really well, better than anything I have done. But looking at the title of the thread it is for Professional and I was questioning wether hobby renders are eligible for entry or even selection? Well done on your selection. No critism on your work from me. Shane

Congrats Alfa, for getting Pro of the Week! This is really a great piece of work :)

Thanks a lot Ronen :)

Great render, definately high quality. However image/project does not look professional, looks more like a hobby render, something done in spare time. Blurring the lines of pro/amateur renders. Shane

I am sad to hear that you didn't like my project. It is a design concept by me. Thanks a lot for everyone :)

I loved all of these renders when you posted them. Cracking atmosphere and spatial quality.

it's a seriously beautiful image. i can't fault it.

Realistic Image .Nice render!!!!

Great render, definately high quality. However image/project does not look professional, looks more like a hobby render, something done in spare time. Blurring the lines of pro/amateur renders. Shane